I am a 43 year old Christian man in Southern Ohio, who is happily married with three beautiful children, and a career in engineering. I am truly blessed in many regards. I created this blog to explore and share my thoughts about being a man, a Christian, a father, and various other aspects of my life.
Showing posts with label spiritual. Show all posts
Showing posts with label spiritual. Show all posts
Tuesday, March 31, 2015
A Contrast of Memorials
Recalling my dad's memorial (after he passed away), and the contrast between him and another man, whose memorial was at the same church on the same day.
Monday, January 19, 2015
My Spiritual Goals for 2015
I started this list with 5 goals, then kept adding on additional ones as I was thinking about it more.
- Set aside quiet time in morning (at 5am, before going to the gym)
- Finish reading the Bible again (this will be the 2nd or 3rd time through it)
- Keep a prayer journal (listing prayer requests and any observed answers/results)
- Be dedicated and consistent in prayer together with Amanda
- Find news stories to pray for (utilize God's power on a global level)
- Memorize books of the Bible (titles, order)
- Witness to at least one person per month
- Participate in at least one mission trip (planning for Detroit)
- Participate in one local mission/outreach activity per month (Matthew 25 ministries in January)
Thursday, November 20, 2014
Just 15 Minutes a Day
No, the title isn't a reference to the annoying but memorable Geico slogan. That's "15 minutes could save you 15% on car insurance." But in some ways I guess you could call this insurance.
When Amanda and I lived in Sacramento, our church home was Horizon Community Church. One of the activities that I participated in there was a 6:30am Friday morning men's group. It may sound a bit odd, but the pastor there, Brad Swope, had a few rules for attending this group. Mostly they centered around being considerate for one another (trying to attend consistently, not being late, being honest in conversations, etc.). The one that stuck with me to this day though was that we all had to commit to spending 15 minutes a day with God. The time usage could take any number of forms, including quiet time, prayer, reading the Bible, etc.
It's a simple concept really - even with everyone's busy schedules, 15 minutes seemed feasible. As important as God is, especially to men who are committed to getting up hella early for spiritual growth, it shouldn't be too hard to set aside just 1/4 hour for Him. Not surprisingly though, it always ends up being much more challenging than it sounds, especially with all of the responsibilities and distractions that adulthood, home ownership, and parenthood require.
At the beginning of each men's group, we would hold each other accountable to this commitment, and discuss how we did for the previous week with regards to it. Very rarely did any one of us accomplish spending this time every single day, but I did find that whatever time was spent was certainly worth the effort.
If you truly believe that there is a God of the universe, and you also believe that we can communicate with Him (through prayer, meditation, reading the Bible, etc.), then doesn't it seem worth sacrificing such a small amount of time to dedicate to Him? So for all you Christians out there, what do you think of this idea? After all, the 15 minutes you spend with God will save you a helluva lot more than just insurance premiums.
When Amanda and I lived in Sacramento, our church home was Horizon Community Church. One of the activities that I participated in there was a 6:30am Friday morning men's group. It may sound a bit odd, but the pastor there, Brad Swope, had a few rules for attending this group. Mostly they centered around being considerate for one another (trying to attend consistently, not being late, being honest in conversations, etc.). The one that stuck with me to this day though was that we all had to commit to spending 15 minutes a day with God. The time usage could take any number of forms, including quiet time, prayer, reading the Bible, etc.
It's a simple concept really - even with everyone's busy schedules, 15 minutes seemed feasible. As important as God is, especially to men who are committed to getting up hella early for spiritual growth, it shouldn't be too hard to set aside just 1/4 hour for Him. Not surprisingly though, it always ends up being much more challenging than it sounds, especially with all of the responsibilities and distractions that adulthood, home ownership, and parenthood require.
At the beginning of each men's group, we would hold each other accountable to this commitment, and discuss how we did for the previous week with regards to it. Very rarely did any one of us accomplish spending this time every single day, but I did find that whatever time was spent was certainly worth the effort.
If you truly believe that there is a God of the universe, and you also believe that we can communicate with Him (through prayer, meditation, reading the Bible, etc.), then doesn't it seem worth sacrificing such a small amount of time to dedicate to Him? So for all you Christians out there, what do you think of this idea? After all, the 15 minutes you spend with God will save you a helluva lot more than just insurance premiums.
Sunday, October 19, 2014
What do you Stand For?
The other day an advertisement for Doc Marten shoes played before a movie trailer that I was trying to watch, and I couldn't help but think about it. Here is the ad, along with another similar one for their campaign.
Their question and ad slogan is "What do you Stand for?" Here are the answers given in the above videos. I stand for...
For those of you who know me, or even if you've just been reading my blog for a while, hopefully my answer to the question of "What do you stand for?" is obvious: I stand for the almighty God of the universe, and His son Jesus Christ. They not only make life much more enjoyable (providing peace, love, joy, strength, depth, meaning, contentment), but they are the only things that truly have eternal implications. Therefore everything else pales in comparison.
What about you? What do you stand for?
Their question and ad slogan is "What do you Stand for?" Here are the answers given in the above videos. I stand for...
- distortion
- the crowd
- making classic contemporary
- punk rock
- youth frustration
- rising against conformity
- keeping things simple
- the youth
- being unique
- getting shit done
- putting myself out there
- keeping people guessing
For those of you who know me, or even if you've just been reading my blog for a while, hopefully my answer to the question of "What do you stand for?" is obvious: I stand for the almighty God of the universe, and His son Jesus Christ. They not only make life much more enjoyable (providing peace, love, joy, strength, depth, meaning, contentment), but they are the only things that truly have eternal implications. Therefore everything else pales in comparison.
What about you? What do you stand for?
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Saturday, October 04, 2014
We All Want to be Remembered
I read this article (link) earlier in the week about a college student named Kendall Wernet who died while on a cruise ship.
Before that fateful day, Kendall had some great questions and introspective statements on his company's website when reflecting on the death of Robin Williams:
Before that fateful day, Kendall had some great questions and introspective statements on his company's website when reflecting on the death of Robin Williams:
This got me thinking: How will the world react when I die? Will my face be on the news? Will people say it was a terrible occurrence? What will they remember about me?
Ask yourself these same questions.
Suddenly, you start to get this weird feeling inside of you that makes you question what you are doing with your life. Because, the truth is that we all want to make a difference and leave a mark on this world. We want to be remembered.From the article it appears that Kendall Wernet was hoping/trying to make his mark on the world and to be remembered by (a) being successful at work and (b) helping others to do so also. Now that he's gone though, and his face is on the news, is financial and occupational success what really matters? If there is indeed an afterlife, then the answer is "not a damned bit". Because right now the only thing that really matters to Kendall, and Robin Williams too, is whether or not they made it into heaven. In addition to that #1 priority, here are the most important questions to me, regarding how I impact the world before I die:
- Did I make it to heaven?
- Did I help others to make it there (to heaven)?
- How much spiritual impact did I have on the world (encourage others, speak truth, etc)?
- Did I leave a memorable legacy for my family?
- Remain true to my wife.
- Raise my kids with all of the skills and knowledge that they need.
- Have a solid, loving relationship with all of the above.
- Provide a good (as close to ideal as possible) example of what/who a man should be?
- Was I a good friend to those around me?
All of the other things that the world looks at as successful are mostly useless. Because all of the other "marks" you can make on the world won't last very long after you're gone from it. And since none of us know when we're going to die (on a weird cruise ship accident, or when you're 100 years old), isn't the smartest approach to first address priority #1 in the list above? If so then the way to do this is by turning your attention and affection to Jesus, who is the key to getting to heaven. That way no matter when you die you'll meet this objective.
Luke 23:32-43 mentions two thieves on the crosses next to Jesus - one on each side. One of them said "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." Jesus assured the thief that he would indeed make it to heaven. And that is how we should all hope to be best remembered.
Luke 23:32-43 mentions two thieves on the crosses next to Jesus - one on each side. One of them said "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." Jesus assured the thief that he would indeed make it to heaven. And that is how we should all hope to be best remembered.
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Sunday, July 20, 2014
Spiritually Speaking
Last Sunday evening I had the opportunity to speak to the high school youth group at our church. I've done it quite a few times before at Horizon church (in Roseville, CA), but it has been several years since then.
I could probably spend a couple hours on a lesson/discussion and put a decent one together that way, but I can't help but try my best to pursue perfection with it. I pontificate and pray over which topic to pursue. When I finally make a decision about a topic then I write a basic outline. Next comes collecting information and researching Bible verses. Then reorganizing and rewriting several times. For this topic I also put together slides and downloaded video clips to include with them. At Horizon we didn't have a projector or computer in the youth room, so this is the first time I was able to make slides to go with the discussion. While I love the extra dimension that multimedia provides, it also adds additional preparation time, especially since I reorganized and edited the slides as much or more than I did the verbal portion of the presentation. When taking all of the steps and also my perfectionism into consideration, it becomes a long and painful preparation process.
In the end though, I was pretty happy with the result. I think/hope the topic was interesting and relevant, and I felt comfortable with the presentation. I think I spoke loudly enough, moved around a bit while I was speaking, hopefully avoided the ugly filler words (um, uh, etc.), and I issued a challenge for the kids that can not only grow their faith further but also impact the world more. My biggest self-criticism is that it may have gone a little long in duration (although I'm not sure what I would have eliminated from it).
I still need to get feedback from Brian, the youth leader, but overall I think it went well. It took a lot of time and effort, but between this speaking experience and the other ones that I've had, I would venture to say that public speaking may be one of my favorite things to do in life, especially when I have a topic/idea that I am passionate about (which is always the case with my faith) and a presentation that I'm happy with. I absolutely love the feeling of imparting a new perspective and having the potential to positively influence people spiritually.
Special thanks goes to Brian Rogers for trusting me enough to speak to the 2-3 dozen kids at our church, and to God for giving me the topic/ideas to speak about.
I could probably spend a couple hours on a lesson/discussion and put a decent one together that way, but I can't help but try my best to pursue perfection with it. I pontificate and pray over which topic to pursue. When I finally make a decision about a topic then I write a basic outline. Next comes collecting information and researching Bible verses. Then reorganizing and rewriting several times. For this topic I also put together slides and downloaded video clips to include with them. At Horizon we didn't have a projector or computer in the youth room, so this is the first time I was able to make slides to go with the discussion. While I love the extra dimension that multimedia provides, it also adds additional preparation time, especially since I reorganized and edited the slides as much or more than I did the verbal portion of the presentation. When taking all of the steps and also my perfectionism into consideration, it becomes a long and painful preparation process.
In the end though, I was pretty happy with the result. I think/hope the topic was interesting and relevant, and I felt comfortable with the presentation. I think I spoke loudly enough, moved around a bit while I was speaking, hopefully avoided the ugly filler words (um, uh, etc.), and I issued a challenge for the kids that can not only grow their faith further but also impact the world more. My biggest self-criticism is that it may have gone a little long in duration (although I'm not sure what I would have eliminated from it).
I still need to get feedback from Brian, the youth leader, but overall I think it went well. It took a lot of time and effort, but between this speaking experience and the other ones that I've had, I would venture to say that public speaking may be one of my favorite things to do in life, especially when I have a topic/idea that I am passionate about (which is always the case with my faith) and a presentation that I'm happy with. I absolutely love the feeling of imparting a new perspective and having the potential to positively influence people spiritually.
Special thanks goes to Brian Rogers for trusting me enough to speak to the 2-3 dozen kids at our church, and to God for giving me the topic/ideas to speak about.
Thursday, February 20, 2014
Clarification of Mental/Spiritual Classification
I’ve said this before, but it seems
worthwhile to restate it and provide additional clarification regarding my previous post about demonic possession.
I do believe that mental illness exists. I don't want to over-spiritualize everything and say that every human flaw is due to “evil forces”. I believe in scientific discoveries that lead to progress with medical diagnosis and solutions. I fully accept that there are people that suffer from chemical deficiencies in the brain and/or other mental anomalies. Some examples of circumstances that I am comfortable categorizing as mental illness could be slightly irrational thinking, emotional instability, lack of mental clarity/focus, difficulty functioning in everyday life or carrying out certain tasks, etc. Other examples of legitimate mental issues are those that arise because of some traumatic experience, such as post traumatic stress disorder (soldiers after war).
However, there are also many stories and cases that I’ve either read about in the news or heard from first-hand accounts that it does not make sense to assign to the category of mental illness. Examples of these are where people deliberately cause sexual or psychological harm to innocent victims (children or other people who have done nothing wrong to deserve it), those that contain elements of physically impossible feats (child walking up a wall, man walking around in fire without getting burned, etc.), people who clearly “hear voices” that tell them to do evil things, or people who act in a manner that is consistent with displaying what would be expected in the case of demonic possession (shrieking or recoiling upon hearing the name of Jesus, speaking in a different voice or multiple voices and with a completely different personality, etc.). Yes, those are actual news stories, and there are plenty more examples near the bottom of my web site here.
I believe it’s important to bring attention to the effects/actions of evil – because my hope is to shine a spotlight on what I believe is a real, plausible enemy who wishes pain, frustration, and ultimately destruction upon each human being. Because only upon realizing that you have an enemy can you see his/her/its deeds for what they are and try to defend against them. Also, my hope is that the realization of this unseen enemy helps to promote our need for someone who can assist us, who is not only our spiritual advocate but also the ultimate conqueror/ruler of this unseen realm. That person is Jesus.
In addition to recognizing the existence of evil, my desire is for everyone to look at each negative news story individually and determine whether they can be categorized as a simple human flaw (mental anomaly of some sort), or if it’s at least remotely possible, and in some cases highly probably, that the root cause could be something supernatural.
I do believe that mental illness exists. I don't want to over-spiritualize everything and say that every human flaw is due to “evil forces”. I believe in scientific discoveries that lead to progress with medical diagnosis and solutions. I fully accept that there are people that suffer from chemical deficiencies in the brain and/or other mental anomalies. Some examples of circumstances that I am comfortable categorizing as mental illness could be slightly irrational thinking, emotional instability, lack of mental clarity/focus, difficulty functioning in everyday life or carrying out certain tasks, etc. Other examples of legitimate mental issues are those that arise because of some traumatic experience, such as post traumatic stress disorder (soldiers after war).
However, there are also many stories and cases that I’ve either read about in the news or heard from first-hand accounts that it does not make sense to assign to the category of mental illness. Examples of these are where people deliberately cause sexual or psychological harm to innocent victims (children or other people who have done nothing wrong to deserve it), those that contain elements of physically impossible feats (child walking up a wall, man walking around in fire without getting burned, etc.), people who clearly “hear voices” that tell them to do evil things, or people who act in a manner that is consistent with displaying what would be expected in the case of demonic possession (shrieking or recoiling upon hearing the name of Jesus, speaking in a different voice or multiple voices and with a completely different personality, etc.). Yes, those are actual news stories, and there are plenty more examples near the bottom of my web site here.
I believe it’s important to bring attention to the effects/actions of evil – because my hope is to shine a spotlight on what I believe is a real, plausible enemy who wishes pain, frustration, and ultimately destruction upon each human being. Because only upon realizing that you have an enemy can you see his/her/its deeds for what they are and try to defend against them. Also, my hope is that the realization of this unseen enemy helps to promote our need for someone who can assist us, who is not only our spiritual advocate but also the ultimate conqueror/ruler of this unseen realm. That person is Jesus.
In addition to recognizing the existence of evil, my desire is for everyone to look at each negative news story individually and determine whether they can be categorized as a simple human flaw (mental anomaly of some sort), or if it’s at least remotely possible, and in some cases highly probably, that the root cause could be something supernatural.
Saturday, February 08, 2014
Discussion About Demons
On January 29, 2014 I posted a link in Facebook to an odd USA Today story. The FB post led to a lengthy but interesting discussion about personal experiences, demons, possession, and belief (or lack thereof) in all things supernatural. Similar to the Mega-churches discussion, I wanted to capture the key points and stories of the discussion in this blog, for posterity sake.
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Most of the time the source of negative news events can be
excused as either (a) crimes of passion, (b) misunderstood and/or emotionally
scarred people, (c) victims of upbringing/culture, (d) desperation, (e) mental
illness, or whatever other (perhaps valid) reasons.
But every once in a while, I read or hear about a story for which the only conclusion that can be reached about it is the existence and engagement of evil - the supernatural/spiritual kind. This is one of those stories (the picture links to the article):
But every once in a while, I read or hear about a story for which the only conclusion that can be reached about it is the existence and engagement of evil - the supernatural/spiritual kind. This is one of those stories (the picture links to the article):
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| Strange events lead Ind. family to resort to exorcism |
Robert: If u believe
in The Lord how come so many disbelieve in stories like this ... Really makes
me wonder why people don't believe that true evil exists and is always around
us ...
Joel: When I read ghost stories like this, my only
thought is "yawn. So another group of liars or people with over active
imaginations". In today's age, digital proof is pretty easy to get. They
didn't bother though because it is bs. They know it, I know it
Anyways I will admit they did a good job on the music. It for sure creepy and sets the mood.
Anyways I will admit they did a good job on the music. It for sure creepy and sets the mood.
Shelley: Joel, all due
respect, unless you have come face to face with a demon, you HAVE NO CLUE! God
gave me the discernment of Good and evil, not something I would wish on
anyone,not a gift I asked for, because with it, comes great responsibility, and
it's something that will rock your soul. I've spoke with demons that filled my
brothers body, he spoke like someone from a freaking movie. He was possessed,
also a drug addict for many years on and off. Believe me, you have no idea!.
After God laid it on my heart to stay and pray with him,(which I refused, yet,
as I turned to leave the apartment, God grabbed me by the shoulders and told me
to stay and pray for him.) I fought those demons. He screamed, his body did
awful things, his eyes went black, he couldn't breathe. Imagine coming to tell
your brother goodbye (possibly for the last time, because you knew he was going
to kill himself) and hold him, tell him you loved him, and that Jesus loved
him, only to have his eyes go black, look you in the face and growl, say
"god doesn't love me!" Then, with the help of your mother, get him
onto the bed, pray for him, and watch him writhe in pain, and then, reach under
the covers to find a three foot machete hidden under perfectly folded clothing.
They wanted him to kill himself. I fought for hours with this demon. I
literally went home and slept for over 24 hours for fighting them. So yeah,
they DO exist. God be the glory, he is free and we are going to work on writing
a book about his years of drug addiction, demon addiction and freedom in
Christ.
Now, clean and sober, he recently told me, without me praying for him, he was going to take his life that night.
Now, clean and sober, he recently told me, without me praying for him, he was going to take his life that night.
Michael: Shelley, that is a crazy story, but I believe
it. No Joel, that doesn't make me gullible, because (a) I trust Shelley as a
reliable/sane source of information and (b) that fits with the
stories/information in the Bible, as well as my theology and understanding of
the supernatural. Steve, when are you going to tell your story about the mental
institution?
Paul: Joel, I am a
retired police lieutenant and a close friend and police captain lived in a very
haunted house at one time. He had to leave it. I experienced it also. I also
have had my own experience with the super natural as an older teenager. I guess
if you haven't had the experience then you cannot understand the reality. I
kind of feel sorry for you. I won't waist anymore time on this with you. You
probably don't believe in multi dimensions or the fact that an object can be in
two places at the same time. Those are no longer theories but facts of quantum
physics that have been proven. Have a nice and secure life in your limited
reality.
Steve: Mike L -- Ok, for
what it's worth here: I was a physics/geology major in college. I, like Joel,
love science and enjoy quantum physics, astronomy, cosmology and the scientific
method, etc... I truly value and appreciate where Joel. is coming from. We
all should understand and appreciate Joel's points. But here's the trouble: In
Feb 1982, I met a student on my floor (Oswego State College) who evidenced
remarkable characteristics and (in my presence and the presence of 7 others)
upon reading the Bible fell on the floor into a trance-like state and spoke
with a completely different voice, and began cursing Jesus in the most intense
way. It was unlike anything I had ever seen. The voice responded in great fear
and screaming agony to the words of the Bible or to the name of Jesus Christ.
The 32 guys on my floor all heard the screaming in another voice while he was
in the trance-like state. This event was repeated on 3 other occasions in the
Mental Institutions first, and when they were unable to do anything, the
pastors in various churches came in to help by Biblical exorcism. This event
was both witnessed by 15 or more people and documented by professors at the
college. Yes, Joel, under very controlled situations, this was repeated as the
"demonic" being would manifest itself, identify itself, respond to
questions and scream against JC. The scientific method could have been applied
and would not have mattered. The scientifically trained personnel actually ran
out of the room and that's when they asked the pastors to do
"something." I am sorry if this sounds like hyperbole. It is not. I
have it all documented by Professor Knapp. But this forum is not the place to
discuss this as the situation was far more graphic than I can detail here. Yes,
I still love mathematics, rationality, science and logic and these are great
tools for the world we live in. But they have their shortcomings too.
Joel: I appreciate the
comment Steve. And what I will say is that I typically always reevaluate the
world around me, and try and characterize how the events I witness fall within
this distribution. As I said, I believe the events I experience in life follow
a Gaussian distribution. The events you or others are describing are well
outside of that distribution, and thus is something that wouldn't cause me to
reevaluate what I believe is true. I think in general if I witnessed the events
you described, I'd probably want to seek the assistance of biologist and
chemist and do an analysis of their chemical balance. I'd want this person
connected to brain electrodes such that we could measure and chart brain wave
activity. I'd want all interactions video taped, audio taped, and carefully
documented to capture the maximum amount of data I could on the situation. I
wouldn't need to make any quick conclusions, but my main goal during this time
would be to capture any and all possible data that could exist regarding this
event. I wouldn't want this event to just be retold as 'trust us... we were
there and you wouldnt believe what we saw'. You're right, I don't believe it.
Show me. Why would you expect others to put faith in you, when you could have
been more diligent in your documentation of this event? And let me just say I
realize that my question is unfair to you in this case because this happened
back in 82 before all the things I am talking about exist. However in a more
modern situation, that could be done now. In Mike's link, the produce no
evidence and rely and the viewer trusting that it isn't a hoax and to make it
more believable they added a creepy sound track. Do you get what im saying? If
this is such a common thing, where is the evidence? Where is the scientific analysis?
Back to your example... How do you know for 100% scientific truth this this
person you think was demon possessed wasnt actually screwing with you. Do you
not think people can change their voice? Are you sure this person was of
complete sane mental health? Do you have any real evidence here that supports
what you believe about this event. If I knew you better I might honestly
believe that you really saw all the events you described... but how do you know
that what you saw is in fact what was really happening? Finally I just want to
add... you say the scientific method wouldn't have been useful in that case but
it is always useful. It's how we define the world. It's how we document, gather
data, prove guesses, and refine our thoughts! It's always useful.
Steve: I really enjoyed reading your post Joel. My
wife would be glad to know there are others like me that realize all of life
falls on the Gaussian distribution! I'm always telling her that given a large
enough population, most things fall on the distribution curve. Anyway, your
questions about my "experience" are valid, very reasonable,
thoughtful and fully appropriate. I would not suggest you or anybody
"trust me" instead of following documented scientific methodology on
researching such things. Having said that - in 1982 there were no cell phones
or video cameras to document it. I wish there were. He was completely evaluated
physiologically and mentally for 2 weeks. he was in superb health. He had no
history of mental health. He was also in the ROTC program. Anyway, he had more
than one voice emerge - there were multiple voices coming out at the same time.
It sounded like a deep angry group within him (I mentioned in my earlier post
that it was more complicated). Each voice was different, spoke different
languages but all screamed at the name of Christ. Too bad this wasn't taped and
analyzed. It went on for a few weeks. About the scientific method I mentioned
earlier - I was obliquely referring to Thomas Kuhn's landmark book ("On
the Structure of Scientific Revolutions") on the function of paradigms
controlling what scientists actually "see." The Scientific Method is
not as objective as people think. It carries with it an implicit subjective
perspective that tends to "color" the evidence into supporting the
prevailing view. Thus, some of the same "data" and scientific
methodology for light as "wave" was also used for light as
"particle." Einstein's 1905 work (photoelectric effect - where light
functions as a particle) was not accepted originally by most scientists, not
because the data wasn't there, but because their paradigm didn't allow for it.
A better example would be the quantum mechanical revolution that proposed a
radical break from a Newtonian deterministic worldview. (Space permits a more
adequate treatment of this subject). At any rate, any data on the
"demon" experience if caught and repeated (and it was) on tape with
all the electrodes and scientists probably would help - but it's questionable
that they would want to conclude that a "spirit being" actually
exists. It would be ruled out by the fact that the prevailing paradigm of naturalism
does not entail any possible spirit reality. That's what I was getting at. Your
points and questions are superb. I do appreciate the logical rigor with which
you are approaching this....By the way, I have NOT seen the video at the top of
this post. So I can't comment on it. I know, I know, ... why am I posting if I
have not seen the video? Because I am not that interested and it may be a hoax
Joel - so I too am skeptical about such things.
Jeffrey:
too many
people that had nothing to gain by corroborating the story have done just that.
When CPS and law enforcement say it happened but they have no idea how.... then
it more than likely happened. One thing you have to understand are laws
concerning digitally recording children. The CPS worker would not have been
videotaping or recording with a cell phone the child in the hospital. She
wouldn't have had a reason to. CPS gets involved to make sure a child isn't in an
abusive/neglectful situation. This happened in NW Indiana, where I am from, and
I'm still in contact with the people I worked with when I worked up there, and
while I didn't know the particular CPS worker that witnessed this, those I know
that work with her all say the CPS worker is known as honest to a fault... I
know a few other things that tell me she was telling the truth, but I can't
share them without putting my own job at risk due to privacy laws. Personally,
I'm not sure what to make of it.... everything can be explained away by
something logical except the wall walking... and that is the part that was
witnessed by others that have nothing to gain by saying they saw it. Also, the
police officers refused to go back into the house after an investigation
because of things that happened that they couldn't explain. The whole thing is
bizarre, and I can't help but believe this may be one of the few instances when
one of these stories is true.
Joel:
Interesting
comments jeff. I drove through Gary a few years ago (stopping at MJ's childhood
home) and that is a very unusual town in general. Based on your comments I went
back and reread without watching the video, and that would be pretty creepy if
it was even half true. I wonder how much of the real documentation I can find
on this event? Does seem like there might be more to this story than my first
impressions. I still think it's absurd they added music to their video, but now
I wonder what real documentation I can get regarding this event. Perhaps the
freedom of information act might turn up something?
Michael:
Thank you all
for your comments and participation in this discussion. I think we mostly
managed to keep it surprisingly civil. Joel,
I hope you didn't feel ganged up on, but you seem to handle it with grace,
which I appreciate. You never did reply to Steve's last comment though (thank you for expanding on it
Steve), but maybe there isn't anything more to say about it. Jeffrey, thanks for your addition - it's always great to get
input from someone who is closer to the story.
Jeffrey:
Joel, there is a copy of the report
involving cps with names edited out (because they are minors). The easiest
place to find it is on tmz, but it is legit. You can find it elsewhere but tmz
makes access easier
Joel:
I talked with Steve offline. I don't
think Steve and I have much more to discuss on this topic in a facebook
setting. It's likely that he and I have similar viewpoints with different data
sets. We might even make different conclusions on the analysis of the data, but
I think we have similar approaches for processing data.
Tuesday, February 04, 2014
Megachurches (a discussion)
An Atheist friend of mine from grade school (and now Facebook) posted the following picture, which I think was thought provoking (is that redundant?). A discussion ensued, which I decided was worth keeping and posting here, for posterity sake if nothing else.
Me: This is a tough issue. On one hand, you have lazy, pampered Americans that have expectations of comfort wherever they go. So do you force them to sit on the floor? If you try then they won't attend that particular church. Do you set a lower standard of comfort (no A/C, seats without cushions, open ceilings, etc.)? Do you limit the number of people who can attend, when you have a pastor and/or worship quality that can draw many more than are currently attending? Do you refuse to build a facility that can house over a certain number? If so, then what number is acceptable - 200, 500, 1000?
What percentage of a church's income is acceptable to contribute to helping the community, specifically the poor? if the "megachurch" is contributing this percentage, but they can still afford a facility for the large number of attendants, then is this acceptable? Or should the percentage be higher for churches that are larger than smaller ones, just because?
Me: This is a tough issue. On one hand, you have lazy, pampered Americans that have expectations of comfort wherever they go. So do you force them to sit on the floor? If you try then they won't attend that particular church. Do you set a lower standard of comfort (no A/C, seats without cushions, open ceilings, etc.)? Do you limit the number of people who can attend, when you have a pastor and/or worship quality that can draw many more than are currently attending? Do you refuse to build a facility that can house over a certain number? If so, then what number is acceptable - 200, 500, 1000?
What percentage of a church's income is acceptable to contribute to helping the community, specifically the poor? if the "megachurch" is contributing this percentage, but they can still afford a facility for the large number of attendants, then is this acceptable? Or should the percentage be higher for churches that are larger than smaller ones, just because?
Friend: How about this Michael. Preach from
atop of a rock in a open field. That is what Jesus did.
It
is my understanding that churches are also tax exempt because they must give
back to the community. The decent religious charity I have seen (and given my
time to) are Catholic Charities. I like the new pope dude too!
Me: While the WWJD slogan is
catchy and useful, it's not applicable to all of life's situations (for
example, how to treat your wife, since Jesus didn't marry) or even to all
Christian endeavors. Nor does the Bible even instruct us to follow Christ in
every single thing that He did. For example, I don't expect to walk on water,
turn over tables and reap chaos in temples, or to get crucified on a cross.
Additionally, both the Old and New Testaments describe churches (temples in the OT) as fellow believers meeting in a building together, with established rules and a leadership hierarchy. The OT temples were very elaborate too, requiring significant funds and ornate decor.
I do think that it's important for churches to be transparent in both their income and spending, and I also think it's very important for churches to feed the poor and nourish the community as much as possible. The (small to medium sized) one I attend contributes 25% of their income back to the community in various ways, which is pretty respectable to me, considering they have building costs, staff to pay, etc. Unfortunately though, I would not be surprised to learn that some churches (big and small) do not do any of these things.
Btw, I'm not Catholic, but I like the new pope dude too.
Additionally, both the Old and New Testaments describe churches (temples in the OT) as fellow believers meeting in a building together, with established rules and a leadership hierarchy. The OT temples were very elaborate too, requiring significant funds and ornate decor.
I do think that it's important for churches to be transparent in both their income and spending, and I also think it's very important for churches to feed the poor and nourish the community as much as possible. The (small to medium sized) one I attend contributes 25% of their income back to the community in various ways, which is pretty respectable to me, considering they have building costs, staff to pay, etc. Unfortunately though, I would not be surprised to learn that some churches (big and small) do not do any of these things.
Btw, I'm not Catholic, but I like the new pope dude too.
Friend: If the church wishes to remain tax
exempt, they should be very transparent. After all, Michael, it is the tax
payer money that builds the roads leading to the temple. Auditing... That might
work in the land of unicorns and butterflies but we are talking about money
here. There would be skimming off the top in cases of cash donations. I believe
we can all honestly admit that the church is not above corruption.
Me: I agree with you.
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